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I contend that we are both atheists, I just believe in one less god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all other possible gods, then you will know why I dismiss yours. - Stephen F. Roberts

Any god who creates a sentient being out of dirt, knowing the being will be damned to hell, should have left the dirt alone. - unknown



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Sunday, September 12, 2004
End of an Era

Loosing my Family (Matthew 10:34)

My family visited last weekend.  It may be the last time I EVER see them on good terms.  You see, there is this book that was written long ago.  I read it and realized it was fiction.  They, on the other hand, are part of a cult that is based on a particular interpretation of the book.  There are many of these groups, each believing they are the one reading the book correctly.  The one thing all the groups have in common is a belief that any other book that does not call their book perfect, is out to destroy the world.  Well, the book is not perfect. 

Imagine the worst thing you could tell your family; something so bad that they will be horrified.  They will scream, cry, be ashamed of you.  The absolute worst thing I can tell my family is that I am no longer a christian.  So why tell them you ask?  Because I do not want to live a lie for the rest of their lives.  I do not want to continue to promote what I believe to be morally reprehensible.  In a family that is this fanatical, they know about your religious involvement.  They ask where I am going to church.  They ask about my walk with God.  They ask about my point of view on subjects and want me to nod in agreement when they talk about the superiority of their religion.  I cannot continue to go to church every week, clapping my hands at the charlatan on stage, and spending my time and money on something I do not believe in.  It is killing me, but leaving will kill the relationship with my family and many of my friends.  It may also kill my mother.  It should not come down to this.  Oh how it angers me that our religious society has set up this trap for my family.  It will be absolutely terrible, but maybe I can pull a few persons to reason through it all.  With such a great cost it is not wonder more people do not leave this institution.  It is my hope that the next generation does not have to endure this crime against humanity.  Fanaticism kills.




Ugh, Politics: A perspective from a fed up layman

I watched part of the republican convention and after vomiting up my stomach I asked myself, "Why do we need a president anyway".  Having one person (man) in charge of an entire nation and being the mouthpiece for everyone seems absurd.  Why not have a more complete representation of the populous?  Any idea that cannot be decided by a national vote, should be decided by vote of an elected body.  We already have this in place with congress, and it does offer more balance than the office of president.  One nut jub gets elected and it can really fuck up the nation and world.  One nut job out of 100 has less power.  Of course I also have problems with our congress, but that is for another discussion.

Our system needs much reform.  It has evolved greatly since 1776.  One thing we must change is the way we nominate and elect individuals and the party system.  We must elect our officials on a national level.  One vote should be worth the same no matter what state you live in.  The electoral college system was meant to protect us from the dumb populous but it does no such thing.  In fact if it did, then why the hell would we vote anyway?  I have ranted on that before so let's move to finance reform.  (Remember, I wanted to get actual information on candidates such as voting records, written declarations on where they stand, etc instead of just a simple Dem/Rep)


Finance reform ideas:  1.  All donations should be anonymous to the recipient.  That way not one can be bought.  Our leaders can not be puppets to the rich.  Strict penalties must be in place for any candidate who willfully attempts to find who is supporting him/her. (Damn I hate gender-based pronouns)  It should also be illegal for anyone to notify an official that they have donated money.  2.  Money not specifically raised for a campaign should not be given to a party.  That means the stock I purchase in a company should not be going to support a party.  If the people who profit from that stock or corporation wish to donate then that is fine.  Individuals should be the only entity that can vote and support a candidate.  3.  A cap on campaign spending must be in place.  It should not be a competition on who can dump the most money into advertising. 





Funny Shi(r)t
911 hijackers heard god's voice

Lil Ms Drama dug up some hilarious bumper stickers.  I've had a few ideas for my own as well so I started a cafe press account and will add some when I get time and get paintshop installed on my machine again.  I don't want to try to design something with M$ paint.  One of the ideas I had for a shirt will be a bit esoteric.  The nerds may like it though:  RAID 1 SAVES










On a completely unrelated TMI note

Why does the end of summer make me so horny!  I'm crawling out of my skin here.  Geez.





Erotica of the week:

Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt.  There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.  So you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when in Egypt your bosom was caressed and your young breasts fondled. - Ezekiel 23

Your stature is like that of the palm,
and your breasts like clusters of fruit.
I said, "I will climb the palm tree;
I will take hold of its fruit."
May your breasts be like the clusters of the vine,
the fragrance of your breath like apples,
and your mouth like the best wine.
Song of Solomon 7

A loving doe, a graceful deer-
may her breasts satisfy you always,
may you ever be captivated by her love.
Proverbs 5




This week's memory Verse:

"If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the LORD of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart. Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it." (Malachi 2:2-3)



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Let's hear from you

Posted at 07:30 pm by elvenSarah

sare
September 12, 2004   09:31 PM PDT
 
wow, this is amazing! Your experience with your family is EXACTLY the same thing that happened to me this summer! I was thinking that christians are just looking for hope in a hopeless world and that fanatics just made up the book.
Buttt.... after intesive research, science above all things is what convinced me that there has to be a God. I recommend "The Case for a Creator" be Lee Strobel. It broadened my horizons a bit.
"Evidence That Demands a Verdict" by "Josh McDowell" is also good if you doubt the authority and historical accuracy of the Bible.
I encourage u to keep an open mind, above all things. I am open to hear your perspective on life. You seem like a deep thinker, and hope to hear from u again! :D
Seth
September 13, 2004   01:46 AM PDT
 
Greetings Elven Sarah!

Sounds like you have reached a place most 'true' Christians reach eventually.

When you read the word, then listen to it's interpretation from the so-called 'experts', one can find oneself in great pain at the conflict, hypocrisy and contradictions.

For me, it's all about the Golden Rule. If people could merely stay in grace with that one rule, the rest of the dogma, churches, institutions such as police and military could be completely eliminated. If society decided to police itself based on that one rule as the basis for all LAW, then we would see ourselves that much closer to a semblence of a Utopian society.

You notice how very strict they are with sentences for those who take the law into their own hands.

It's called examples police states make to ensure the people never take Justice and the Law into their own hands...Millions of lawyers, judges, policemen would all become unemployed. The loss of control alone would drive many of them to ending their dominant seeming positions of authority.

The funny thing about the basis of the Christian religion is the insanity of insisting one has to believe a certain way to enter the pearly gates. They completely deny that anything you do (acts) has any impact on the destination of your soul.

I find the entire idea of basing it all on a belief, and one which feels like a nice way to get the quick fix, get into heaven free card.

But what our fine fundamentalists seem to ignore is the many references to reaping what you sow which our brother Jesus taught quite well. This of course would imply some sort of personal responsibility on our parts towards making amends and keeping our actions in alignment with the Golden Rule.

So, when someone tells me to wash away my sins by a human sacrifice in which they tortured, hung up on a cross and then bled with a sword, I get a bit squeamish and wonder if perhaps the Creator would be a bit more impressed with me if instead of admitting I'm some sort of sinner (fug up) I take care of my own sins.

Wouldn't it be kind of an odd, and yet perfect, to find that when one meets with Jesus, he has a load of sins they forgot to take care of before they expired. So they have to return to Earth to make amends.

Cheers!
Nic
September 13, 2004   05:52 AM PDT
 
It's a right of passage; the realization that your family would not have been the one you would have picked. Luck of the draw I suppose, fortunately my son now 29 has accepted my twists and turns, but then again I never crammed anything down his throat.

"Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it." (Malachi 2:2-3)" If you see god tell him that scat play stinks.
woodsmoke
September 13, 2004   03:24 PM PDT
 
Damn Seth, that's a good point. I never understood myself why law enforcement officials get so bent out of shape when someone without a badge sets a wrong situation right; but in that light it makes a lot more sense. Just one more reason to hate the fucking police-state the U.S. has become.

Sarah, I liked the Vietnam bumper sticker best. That one really hit home.
Mrs_Dalloway
September 14, 2004   07:35 PM PDT
 
I think a president should be more of an "important counselor" than a demagogue. And this person should be a philosopher. NOT politician. And of course, a philosopher who doesn't claim to hear God's voice, like the terrorists and the terrorists-bush administration. I can never last longer than ten minutes watching Republican convention. Ahhhhggg.
woodsmoke
September 16, 2004   01:33 AM PDT
 
My thoughts exactly, Mrs. Dalloway. Of course, I don't think *anyone* should be a "politician," per se.

Many great political figures have warned against making a career of politics, and with good reason. Ultimately, these "career politicians" almost inevitably lose their understanding of life as a citizen.
Reach
September 18, 2004   07:30 AM PDT
 
All I can say about the family situation is that I understand. My former husband "outed" me to my parents and now it looks like my dad's cancer is back after a two year lapse. I know, purely coincidental. My mother is not hardly speaking to me. Ouch. I feel for you. If you need a friend, you know where to find me. You already know that I've loved you from day one.

Once you promised me that if I ever needed a place to stay, your home was open to me. I'm moving to Oregon, two weeks from today, October 2. My home there, which I will share with someone, is very tiny but my heart will always have room for you. I lost your email address in a reformatting error, back in May. If not for that, I would have contacted you privately.

Whether we ever talk again, I will always be grateful to you and will never forget you, as long as I live.

Your friend, for life,
Reach
ElvenSarah
September 18, 2004   05:17 PM PDT
 
Thanks for the comments everyone!

Sare, I am familiar with both of those authors and have debated most of their points in a public forum.

Seth, the golden rule, a rule older than most religions including Judaism, is a beautiful thing. The problem is actually having people follow it.

Nic, I think I like your way of parenting.

Wood, I enjoyed many of those stickers. The earth axis is the reason for the season is another great one. Oh, and I just bought a t-shirt that says "Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos"

Reach, you are amazing. If everyone was like you we would have no problem following the golden rule. I hope you have many great times in Oregan and hope to talk to you soon on the forum. Everyday I think about the great people there.
Jezebel
September 19, 2004   01:33 PM PDT
 
Whoa! I didn't know your hubby outed you, Reach! He deserves an ass-kickin' for that one. Hope your new start will go better than mine did.

Loved the post, as per usual, Sarah. That shirt slogan was frickin' AWESOME! I might have to use that as my blog header.
jade
September 25, 2004   05:36 PM PDT
 
It seems that everyone has an opinion about the "correctess" of religion. I for one don't have a problem believing that there is an all-powerful entity out there. It is the restrictions christianity imposes on us that bothers me. Remember: man wrote the bible. No matter what it says, it is only the interpretation of god, written by man.

ElvenSarah
September 25, 2004   05:56 PM PDT
 
I agree Jade. There very well could have been some entity or agent that started everything in existence with the exception of itself. I don't think this agent is delivering the rules to us via books written by desert nomads though. I personally think our universe is much grander than that and any conscious great enough to create it all could do a bit better. Likely our universe is a dew drop in a much larger universe and will evaporate in about 70 trillion years. Our molecules will be reabsorbed and redistributed to make new dew drops in another 1000 trillion years. The laws we see at our level, in our universe are local such as creation of mass and energy etc, just as we see different behaviour for quarks and smaller, unobserved objects. Heck, maybe our universe is a drop of blood running through the veins of god.
 

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